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Subj: global warming Date: 2/24/99 10:32:45 PM Pacific Standard Time From: mstone1

I'm not sure what was was worse, your web page or your argument.

One of the likely outcomes of global warming would actually be to send us into the next ice age. Global warming would increase stratification and therefore prevent crucial mixing in the North Atlantic. If mixing is stopped it will also stop warm ocean currents from the Mediterranean sea. All major coupled atmospheric-ocean models predict that the termination of these ocean currents would catapult us into the next ice-age. In fact, most geologists agree that we were extremely close to heading into the next ice-age about 100 years ago. This was accompanied by a weakening in North Atlantic currents.

By the way, I will attached an improved version of your web page.

Sincerely,

Mark Stone

Heartily disagree with most of what I could read (the background an my old eyes didn't get along too well). Sorry, but you cannot make judgments on a global scale from on isolated location. Do the same thing at perhaps 1000 locations scattered around the globe and they you can make some judgments. There is no contention that the world is warming. It is measured every year for decades. The only contention, mostly among politicians, is do WE as a species have any responsibility for this warming. The vast majority of scientists say yes, we are a major contributor to the observed global warming.and models demonstrate what our contribution is. Carbon dioxide along with a few other gases we tend to emit at alarming rates. I remember going to Mr. Rainier as a kid and seeing glaciers almost up to the road. Now they are miles from there. I have never seen Rainier or Adams so bald as they were this year. Droughts all over the world. Miles McPhee, an arctic researcher who actually lives in Naches and has taken many trips to the Arctic to study ice flow patterns remarked on his last visit to my classroom that they had to go hundreds of miles further north before they found ice the last trip he was on. In the decades of trips he has made, this was the worse he as ever seen the ice cap.

Climate and weather are two very different things. One is very local and short term and the other is very broad and long term. Now, ask the same questions you did to someone living in California and see what they would say. When have you ever heard of massive wildfires in California in October? And those fires are dwarfed by the the fires in Australia where there have been major climate shifts over the last few decades. No global warming model that I know of predicts any local weather. The warming is measured in tenths of degree but that is enough to result in major changes in global climate patterns and storm patterns. Most models do predict the extremes you mention. Remember, the globe is a very large place. Just about all that we see going on is predicted quite well with the models we have. This is not to say that we know all there is by a long shot. There is a lot of unknown factors that scientists are discovering every day they look at this problem, yet not have been large enough to free us from blame.

So, while I wish for cooler climes, I am stuck with what we have going on here.

Aram

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Aram Langhans
Science Teacher, Naches High School

You might be interested in obtaining a copy of "The Resourceful Earth: A Response to Global 2000" there is lots of data in this book provided by upto a dozen contributing scientists that refutes many of the chicken little scenarios for our future such as food shortages, energy shortages, overpopulation and global warming. This volume of around 600 pages although published in 1984 presents scientific data in layman's language to explain how short term data is misinterpreted and misrepresented to produce an alarmist view of future global trends. The book was published by dissenting scientists as a rebuff to the Global 2000 report commissioned by Jimmy Carter, Global 2000 predicated many nasty scenario's over 2 decades commencing in the year 2000. The only prediction in this report that was accurate was the increase in global conflict over fossil fuel resources (though not due to severe shortages as predicted in Global 2000 report)
It's a pity the authors have not produced an updated version based on new current data.

The Resourceful Earth: A Response to Global 2000
by Julian L. Simon (Editor), Herman Kahn (Editor)

Publisher: Blackwell Publishers; (July 1984)

ASIN: 0631134670

Stephen Howlett

Greetings!!

I just read your thoughts on global warming. Thanks for both the laughs and the good data. I have been saying the same thing for years. I however never went the the trouble to do the research you have. Its been fun lately to watch the renewed debate that has been sparked by the upcoming release of the movie "Day after tomorrow".

I found you're site by link from Gotmead.com. I am kicking the idea around of doing a little home wine making and am learning what I can from the internet. The wife and I put back our share (perhaps more) of vino so making it seemed to make sense. Neither of us has ever tried mead so I may contact you in the future for a mixed case of your wines.

Sincerely,

Steve McDougall, Spokane Wa.